Brand Partnerships and Collaborations with Vanessa Pham
Meet Vanessa Pham
Vanessa is the CEO and co-founder of Omsom, the daughter of Vietnamese refugees, and a Bain & Company and Harvard alum. At Bain & Company, she advised Fortune 500 CPGs on their growth and retail strategy as a management consultant. Outside of Omsom, Vanessa speaks on entrepreneurship and heart-forward leadership at organizations like General Mills and Pepsi, mentors BIPOC founders, and finds joy in cooking all things fermented, caramelized, and braised. She has been recognized as Forbes 30 Under 30 and Create & Cultivate 100.
Episode Highlights
During this episode of The Food Means Business Podcast, we discuss:
How Vanessa’s desire to highlight diverse perspectives led her to start Omsom with her sister Kim
The decision to launch their company at the beginning of global pandemic
The importance of partnerships and collaborations when growing your brand
How launching a CPG brand requires personal growth
Finding balance and joy and how that makes her better at running the business
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Djenaba
Vanessa. Vanessa. Welcome to the Food Means Business podcast. I'm so happy that you're here.
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Vanessa
Oh, my gosh. So excited to be here. Thank you for having me. No full circle.
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Djenaba
Moment. Yes, very much so. For us. Because we met. I don't know. Was it like five years ago? I don't remember.
00;00;17;16 - 00;00;19;24
Vanessa
Probably about three and a half years now.
00;00;19;24 - 00;00;42;09
Djenaba
He's got okay, it's a blur. But yeah, you took one of our class or bootcamp class when you were in the planning stages of what is now Omsom this wonderful DTC, uh, consumer packaged goods business. So, so excited to hear about everything that you're doing. So if you could just start out, tell us who you are and what you do.
00;00;43;13 - 00;01;05;23
Vanessa
Yeah, absolutely. So I am Vanessa Pham, and I'm the CEO and co-founder of Omsom. We are a proud and loud Asian food brand that exists to reclaim Asian flavors because they've been diluted in mainstream grocery stores for far too long. And then beyond that, we really seek to, as a brand, educate on the multitudes within Asian America.
00;01;05;23 - 00;01;29;01
Vanessa
So we craft pantry shortcuts. There are little sauce packets that you can use to make your favorite Asian dishes in under 15 minutes. You just pair them with your favorite veggies and protein. And I launched the company in May of 2020 with my sister was my co-founder. We're both the daughters of Vietnamese refugees. That plays a huge part in how we see the world, why we built the company.
00;01;30;19 - 00;01;56;15
Vanessa
And yeah, I mean, the first two years in market has been beyond anything we could have imagined. We sold out for the first time in 72 hours and since then have sold over 15 times. We've had over 50 fully dedicated features in national news outlets like the CNN homepage or through a New York Times print. Twice, we've launched partnerships with iconic brands like Disney and Instant Pot.
00;01;56;15 - 00;02;04;19
Vanessa
And yeah, now this year we're launching nationally in grocery stores, so we're so excited to bring our real deal Asian flavors to more and more folks.
00;02;04;26 - 00;02;24;07
Djenaba
So that's so amazing that you guys have been able to accomplish in the past two years. So let's step back for a second. Let's talk about Vanessa working in that corporate job and making the decision to start a business with her sister. So if you could give us a little bit of background about you, your your working life before.
00;02;24;09 - 00;02;47;19
Vanessa
Yeah, totally. So I am based out of New York, and I came here in 2016 after I graduated from college. I went to Harvard for undergrad. I ran an e-commerce business while I was a student there and kind of got my feet wet in the world of business. From there, I worked at Bain as a management consultant advising Fortune 500 CPGs on their retail strategy and their growth strategy.
00;02;48;07 - 00;03;24;06
Vanessa
And it was incredible learning experience. But pretty quickly I started feeling this itch. I felt like there weren't enough perspectives like mine being heard in the world. Like I said of the daughter of Vietnamese refugees, I was a 24 year old Southeast Asian woman at the time, and I just really wanted to change national dialogs. I wanted to have a chance to impact them and get my perspective out in the world and I felt like as long as I was in that kind of corporate path, that would be such a long road to get to a place where people would give me that platform.
00;03;24;06 - 00;03;45;14
Vanessa
Moreover, climbing that ladder, I felt like I was risking potentially changing my own value system to be able to climb that right. And that just was a risk I wasn't willing to take. And so at that point I reached out to my sister. We went hiking in Bolivia, and on that trip we started talking about what if we did this crazy thing?
00;03;45;14 - 00;04;11;13
Vanessa
What if we put our jobs and started the company together? And with that, we pretty much made the decision, which was so scary, especially without generational wealth and continues to be a very, you know, stressful job. That was really challenging at every turn. And it's been a whole journey in the past three and a half years that we've kind of been working broadly with the company, the two years that we've been in market, and I've learned so much.
00;04;11;13 - 00;04;18;27
Vanessa
But that's kind of kind of the path from management consultant at Bain to CEO of a food company.
00;04;19;21 - 00;04;30;17
Djenaba
So thank you. So it'd be great to hear what further steps you took. Obviously the brand was really important. Did you start with building your brand first and then kind of develop the product around that, or how did it work?
00;04;31;10 - 00;04;52;16
Vanessa
Yeah, so just given my like analytical background, the first thing that we did well, the very first thing that we did before we even knew what we're going to do was while we still had our jobs, Kim, my sister and I got together and we started just brain dumping on all the things that we wanted to impact, all the things that we cared about and the industries we were most interested in.
00;04;53;00 - 00;05;21;27
Vanessa
And there's so much energy around this mission of educating the multitudes within Asian America, creating a visibility for our narratives. Because historically Asian-Americans have been flat and or like culturally, right? And then from there, food became a place where we had a lot of energy around because we felt like food was oftentimes the first foray or step for folks to start to engage with Asian culture.
00;05;21;27 - 00;05;45;26
Vanessa
We do not think that it is meaningful enough, which is why our brand stands for so much more than just food and the areas that we touch culturally and from a dialog and content perspective, it's far, far reaching. But we felt like those were the areas we're most energized by. From there, we started to just do research on the current state of Asian food, Asian cooking in America.
00;05;46;06 - 00;06;10;20
Vanessa
So we surveyed 200 people, we interviewed 100 between the two of us, and we actually watched 50 people cooking in their homes pre-pandemic. And we learned so much from that. And that's when we started from those learnings, we designed our first product, which we call the starter. And then from there we built the brand so that at a high level that's kind of what the journey looked like.
00;06;10;25 - 00;06;20;00
Vanessa
And then we just started running towards launch, which took us months because we were a team of two for so long. And then eventually we made our first hire a team of three, right?
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Djenaba
So you're ready to launch and then a pandemic happens, a global pandemic, by the way. So can you talk a little bit about your decision to move forward, even though kind of the world was in flux and, you know, a little bit unsure about what was going to happen?
00;06;33;08 - 00;06;56;19
Vanessa
Oh, my gosh. Yeah. So we launched in May of 2020, which means we were actively preparing to launch when the pandemic first started in March of 2022, February, March. We were so confused. We we were spinning in circles. We had no idea how long it was going to last. We didn't know how it impact the economy, people's willingness to try a new brand or new product.
00;06;57;23 - 00;07;15;13
Vanessa
And we had mentors and investors telling us to just find it down and just wait it out because nobody knew what was going to come. Something like this is going to end in two months. Let's just hold. Let's just like weather the storm. And, you know, Kim and I went back and forth. I remember having a lot of hard conversations with her.
00;07;15;13 - 00;07;37;19
Vanessa
We were crying, confused and ultimately we decided, you know what, we're going to launch the company in the middle of the pandemic. At the start of it. At the time, we didn't know where to start, but because ultimately we felt like what we stood for was giving people a sense of whole giving people joy, bringing that proud and loud energy, which is something that we felt like people needed during this time.
00;07;37;19 - 00;08;00;07
Vanessa
And, you know, there was a lot of struggle that came from it. Like we had all these, like photoshoots booked in like video a videographers like, ready to Come shoot our recipe content. Kim had to do it all by herself in her apartment. She was the food. The she was simultaneously the camera woman, the food stylist, the props stylist, the creative director all at her apartment.
00;08;00;23 - 00;08;23;21
Vanessa
And ultimately we were like, you know what? Even though we had all these great grand plans, folks at this time during a really challenging time are going to be comfortable and maybe even feel connected to a more vulnerable viewpoint, a less polished piece of content like this is the reality of today. And like, let's just lean into that, that kind of genuine and earnest nature.
00;08;23;21 - 00;08;27;09
Vanessa
And so, yeah, we launched in May of 2020.
00;08;27;09 - 00;08;37;00
Djenaba
That's amazing. And so you've accomplished so much and you know, you are partnered with your sister. What is it like to work with your sister? Like, I don't know if I could work with my sister.
00;08;37;00 - 00;09;06;00
Vanessa
It is so true. And the reaction we get from everybody is quite binary. You know, like, oh my gosh, I would love to do that, which is very all that most other people like. I could never do that, you know, for us, for this company. And it just comes so much from the heart. And I just can't imagine doing it with anybody else, because we we both feel the mission so deeply and we never question each other's like commitment in that regard.
00;09;06;00 - 00;09;26;13
Vanessa
I think the things that really make it work, one like high degrees of vulnerability, especially at the beginning, we definitely had more to work through at the beginning and what we had to do was just show up, like I said, of vulnerability and candor and be like, Hey, like, I know I'm acting like this. I'm acting irritable or acting just aggressive.
00;09;26;13 - 00;09;45;25
Vanessa
It's actually because I'm so afraid of disappointing you or, you know, you said that one thing when we were 14 and now I think you think I'm incapable. So when I act like this is because of that, you know, that narrative. And so we had to work through so much stuff. But now, for the most part, I mean, we're we work really well together.
00;09;46;05 - 00;09;55;26
Vanessa
We know how to navigate conflict and we have very different skills and capabilities, which helps us, I think, have very clear like this decision. Right. And roles between the two of us.
00;09;56;14 - 00;10;01;15
Djenaba
That's great. So tell me what you do versus what what Cam handles and on the day to day.
00;10;01;15 - 00;10;35;14
Vanessa
Yeah. So Kim is a creative visionary. She is kind of the heart soul of the brand. So she owns a brand. And so what falls underneath that is like content, storytelling, marketing, community. And then I kind of hold everything else as CEO. So that includes like product and R&D, manufacturing operations, logistics, fundraising and finance and strategy is kind of like my wheelhouse.
00;10;35;21 - 00;10;43;22
Vanessa
But at this point, I used to, I used to operate across all those all those things as we were on the team. We've gotten like kind of department heads underneath me.
00;10;44;08 - 00;10;51;00
Djenaba
That's great. So how big or how big is your team now? Because, you know, started with the two of you and it's only been two years. Yeah.
00;10;51;07 - 00;10;55;21
Vanessa
Have the including a couple of party folks we're like about 11 people.
00;10;55;21 - 00;11;00;17
Djenaba
That's amazing. And then I saw your office and Domino was a Domino magazine.
00;11;01;15 - 00;11;24;28
Vanessa
Yes. Thank you. Nice place to work. Yeah. We really wanted for this office to have the ethos of awesome in Imbued into it. Maybe it's helpful to even share with folks what I'm some means. Sure. That's great. Yeah. So awesome is the name of our brand and it's actually based on a Vietnamese word. So which is actually a negative term.
00;11;24;28 - 00;11;45;06
Vanessa
It means kind of noisy or rowdy or ambitious. And it's actually what our parents would say to us if they were chastising us for being in like, you know, causing a ruckus or being in the back of the car or like making a bunch of noise fighting or whatever playing. And we kind of wanted to reclaim that word and put our positive spin on it.
00;11;45;19 - 00;12;11;03
Vanessa
And essentially for us, it was our way of reclaiming the narrative around what it means to be Asian-American, which could be anything. But for us, we wanted to specifically, you know, debunk the model minority myth, the stereotypes that Asians are docile or submissive. And instead we're like, Hey, we're proud, we're allowed, we have a perspective and we are not going to pull our punches or be shy about that energy.
00;12;11;03 - 00;12;30;29
Vanessa
And so you'll see it in our packaging with all of our kind of like elements that are related to like flame or like noise or like bright colors or loud flavors that are definitely not pulled back at all. And even in this conversation or in interviews, right, Like we have a perspective and we try to live that out.
00;12;30;29 - 00;12;48;10
Djenaba
It is so very clear throughout everything I've seen that you've done from your packaging to your website to any email newsletter that I get. It's amazing. And at that and I remember one of my team members reached out to Cam and I was like, Who writes your copy? And she's like me because it's so it's really just so, so, so good.
00;12;48;10 - 00;12;53;03
Djenaba
So yeah, you guys have got it right on it really. It's kind of speaks to who you are for sure.
00;12;53;03 - 00;12;56;12
Vanessa
Thank you. Thank you. I'll tell you.
00;12;57;06 - 00;13;15;01
Djenaba
So one of the other things I you know, is that is, I think, really special about what you do is your partnerships with chefs and being able to like kind of kind of like show people, you know, Asians are not just a monolith. There's all different types of people and different types of flavors and people from different perspectives.
00;13;15;01 - 00;13;22;08
Djenaba
I'd love for you to talk about how you created those partnerships with these with these restaurant owners. So wonderful. Yes.
00;13;22;09 - 00;13;42;10
Vanessa
Yeah. So the intention behind it was based on this idea that you know what, there's no such thing as a pan Asian. There's so like you said, there's no monolith. And I'm Vietnamese-American, so I'm Asian, but I can't purport to be an expert. First of all, I can't even afford to be an expert food. I'm not a chef or whatever.
00;13;42;11 - 00;14;02;20
Vanessa
But but beyond that, like, I'm not an expert with real food, Filipino food, like, we can't complete all these cuisines. And so we thought the best way to honor and celebrate the communities and cuisines that we represent through our products was to involve folks of that background who built their careers in those respective cuisines and helping us craft the product.
00;14;02;20 - 00;14;39;20
Vanessa
And they are so integral to the development process. So we call them our tastemakers, but they're essentially chefs or restaurateurs that are, you know, experts in these cuisines. And so for every product that we have on the market, we work with a tastemaker of that background, and they're involved in everything from developing the formulation to helping us vet ingredients as we're sourcing them all the way down to the marketing element, where we're checking the way we're talking about dishes with them, we're checking, you know, does this align with your understanding of like how this dish is traditionally prepared or visualized?
00;14;39;20 - 00;14;59;04
Vanessa
And in photos, you know, we don't believe in this concept of like authenticity, meaning there's not one way that a dish can exist, but the version that we decide to put out into the world, we want to do the diligence to make sure it is respectful that we put in the work so like, really do right by that community.
00;14;59;13 - 00;15;06;26
Vanessa
And then beyond that, that we're fairly compensating the folks that are along for the journey with us. We're of these backgrounds as well.
00;15;06;26 - 00;15;23;15
Djenaba
That's great. And I told when I when I reached out to you, I told you, we're going to talk a lot about your partnership. So we talked about Cam and we've talked about these the tastemakers, your chefs and restaurateurs that you work with. Talk to me about the brands that you've decided to collaborate with, why you decide to do brand collaborations.
00;15;23;15 - 00;15;36;06
Djenaba
I in correct me if I'm wrong not not a lot of CPG brands do bring do collaborations if I if I if I'm understanding my research correctly. So I'd love to just hear about the decision to do that and how it's done. That would be great.
00;15;36;18 - 00;15;57;15
Vanessa
Totally. Yeah. Well, you know, I wish there were some, you know, like really robust strategy, but initially it was just because we were getting this inbound from brands that we deeply admired. And so our partnerships have been have been kind of like brands coming to us because they you know, they are inspired by our perspective or something like that.
00;15;57;15 - 00;16;25;05
Vanessa
And so we've partnered with Disney, like I mentioned, an instant pot, and then also with Chopped, the national salad chain and the Lobster. So we've done some foodservice partnerships as well. But, you know, at first it was kind of like seeing what's possible and not being like being like, Oh, we can't turn down an opportunity like this. But at this point, you know, I think part of the reason why we do it is because what it helps us expand our reach.
00;16;26;15 - 00;16;49;08
Vanessa
You know, we are constantly building a engaged community and we want to continue to invite folks to do it. And so working with brands like this, they have their own communities that we can kind of connect with. I think that's really important. And then beyond that, I think it gives us a chance to like influence what's a broader population with our perspectives and our worldview around educating on Asian culture, right?
00;16;49;08 - 00;17;12;20
Vanessa
Like maybe the instant pot customers that use our products mostly just like eat is food, but now they're in our newsletter and they are getting the shot, which is our weekly newsletter where we talk about all things like Asian-American culture and and we get a lot of responses from those folks as well about how they how they are learning and evolving as their they are our content.
00;17;12;20 - 00;17;31;04
Vanessa
So there's a lot of opportunities there for us to just like bring people into our fold. That's been really incredible. And of course like just like brand awareness. And lastly, I think surprise and delight is a huge part of it. Like, you know, we partnered with Disney on the launch of Raya and The Last Dragon. That was the first Southeast Asian princess.
00;17;31;04 - 00;17;52;04
Vanessa
And I don't think when people think about Disney movie princess partnerships or thinking, oh, like online food, but it makes a ton of sense. But we kind of wanted to surprise people, especially that it was like around that was during the pandemic and it's now. But like, I think we paired it and that kind of like dinner and a movie like Cook Omsom, then watch Raya.
00;17;52;04 - 00;17;58;29
Vanessa
And I think that's kind of a way to like show people like, Hey, we have a place in your life in ways you might not expect. We can have fun with it.
00;17;59;27 - 00;18;12;09
Djenaba
Yeah, that that is so, so cool. So you've accomplished so much in the past, like, like three and a half to three and a half years. Give us some pieces of advice you have for those that are just getting started.
00;18;13;27 - 00;18;40;13
Vanessa
Oh, my gosh. Yeah, I would say so. One of the biggest pieces of advice that I would give is around your approach to communication as like a founder or entrepreneur. I think that you know, folks when they're operating, they have one frame of mind and then maybe they'll put on a certain hat when they're like fundraising or if they're like pitching a retailer right.
00;18;40;13 - 00;19;09;28
Vanessa
Which is the like, I need to get you bought and I need to convince you that this is going to be way bigger than what it is today. So I actually really encourage, like the folks that I mentor any other founders I speak to, to take that lens to all the other partners that you work with. Because if you're an upstart brand, you're at the end of the day, there's no chance that you can impact other people's life agendas or bottom lines or whatever it is that they care about in this moment the way that other companies can't.
00;19;09;28 - 00;19;46;10
Vanessa
Right? You're just not there yet. And so everybody that you're working with, whether that's prospective hires, whether that's your co manufacturer, whether that's your PR contractor, you want them to be really boring and super excited about what you're doing and believe in the potential. And so I just I think it's a frame of mind that at the early stage you kind of need to talk to everybody, not in a way that feels disingenuous or like too slimy, but just authentically show them your conviction and your belief in what you're building and people will follow and people will throw their weight behind you.
00;19;47;20 - 00;19;58;06
Djenaba
That's great. And so is what is one thing you wish you had known when you got started?
00;19;58;06 - 00;20;14;00
Vanessa
I, I wish kind of wish that I knew how much of a personal growth journey this would be beyond professional. Right. Like, you know, when you're starting a company, you're like, yeah, it's going to be hard. Like, I'm going to have to learn a lot really quickly. And that to me has been like 30% of the work.
00;20;14;00 - 00;20;14;06
Djenaba
Yeah.
00;20;15;04 - 00;20;18;01
Vanessa
I don't know. Maybe I'm just somebody with like worked out with your average. No, no, no.
00;20;18;01 - 00;20;33;21
Djenaba
I think it's definitely that's a huge mindset shift having a business. I think I have grown and you're not the only person that day. Yeah, you're not the only person that I've interviewed that said that. Like you've got to change in some way If you're going to have this business and it's going to grow and be this thing that you want it to be.
00;20;34;05 - 00;20;35;29
Djenaba
So yeah, that's, that's here.
00;20;35;29 - 00;20;59;22
Vanessa
Like I and, and to be fair, I think these are things that I would want to learn or evolve and change at some point in my life anyways. But it's just getting condensed in like what would happen over ten years as far as these personal growth journeys happening and like to like, I'm going to be a way better parent if I become a parent for like because I've been a manager of a startup like or a founder start.
00;20;59;24 - 00;21;21;05
Vanessa
Like there's a lot of things like your ego just gets wrecked, like you, you learn that, like having the answers is actually like thinking you have all the answers is a huge It's like there's so much that you learn that you can be humbled by. I just wish I was like a little bit more prepared. But, you know, I mean, it's all part of the journey.
00;21;21;23 - 00;21;46;07
Djenaba
No, I totally agree. I do have children. I think that I find myself wishing that I had started a business earlier so that I could have been a different type of parent. So this will be really good for you in the future. Would be great. Let's see, I had one more question for you. Oh, yeah. So we have what I call a moneybell at Hudson Kitchen and we ring the bell when we celebrate anything.
00;21;46;07 - 00;21;54;11
Djenaba
Could be, you know, you got a new retail partner or you got your paycheck for some of the people's employees that work there. So I'd love to hear what you guys are celebrating right now.
00;21;54;11 - 00;22;29;25
Vanessa
MM Oh, my gosh. Yeah. I mean, I would say we're really, really excited. We're just around the corner from launching nationally at Whole Foods and every single door. And that is just yeah, that's a that's probably going to be a milestone in my life. So I am so excited to bring our products to more and more Americans to have a spot in folks pantries and partner with the retailer as influential as Whole Foods just means a lot to us, so we're really excited.
00;22;30;04 - 00;22;45;26
Djenaba
Yeah, that is so cool. That is so cool. And I was also going to ask you, what do you guys do for fun? What do you do for fun? Are you do you have hobbies? Do you? Because I feel like as entrepreneurs, we just work, work, work, work, work, work, work. And sometimes you don't get a chance to do something that you like to do.
00;22;45;26 - 00;22;48;12
Djenaba
So I'd love to if you could share, like what you do.
00;22;49;11 - 00;23;30;06
Vanessa
Oh, my gosh, I am. I am a huge believer in fostering balance, ample time for play and joy and human connection and practicing vulnerability outside of the workplace. And so I've been very intentional about trying to protect that in at times I don't do it and then I feel it, but I know that I'm a better manager, leader, team member for it when I do so one thing, a couple of things about me, I guess I have a really meaningful connection to music and rhythm.
00;23;30;06 - 00;23;52;13
Vanessa
I love dancing, I love connecting to music by myself with others, sharing that. So I love going to see live music, I love going to dance, I love expressing myself and expressing joy through that. It's funny. I love cooking, but ever since cooking became more of my main job, I like tried to like for myself that I'm not working by.
00;23;52;13 - 00;24;10;07
Vanessa
What if I'm leaning more into baking? Okay, So I'm like, This isn't cooking, this isn't my job. So I like to relax a little bit. I, I bake on just the energy behind the output of baking is just like a sweet treat. Like there's nothing, you know, I just like the energy around the go indulgence. And yeah.
00;24;10;08 - 00;24;15;13
Djenaba
I find I find it calming. It's for some reason and baking is like really calming. I don't know. I don't know why.
00;24;15;15 - 00;24;39;23
Vanessa
It is kind of like you don't have the access to any like you can kind of zone out a little bit, just like follow instructions. Yeah. So yeah, I love baking. And then lastly, I journal all the time. I'm really, I'm, I'm a very like emotionally and touch person so I have a lot of sensations and emotional experiences that I can't possibly just rely on my friends and family to process.
00;24;39;23 - 00;24;44;17
Vanessa
So I've been on this whole journey of learning how to like self-soothe and journaling as part of that.
00;24;45;10 - 00;24;56;12
Djenaba
Oh, that's great. Thank you so much for sharing. So, Vanessa, thank you for being on the Food Means Business podcast. You're one of our first guests and I appreciate that so.
00;24;56;12 - 00;24;58;10
Vanessa
Well, thank you for having me.
00;24;58;19 - 00;25;06;03
Djenaba
Sure. And please tell everyone where they can find out about you and your brand so they can know where to buy. Buy your products.
00;25;06;21 - 00;25;29;06
Vanessa
Yes. Oh, my gosh. So our website where you can buy our products is on Omsom.com. That's 0msom.com. You can follow us on Instagram at Amazon and we my sister just does an incredible job with content. There's so much to learn and and gain from just like continuously following. We don't just post about our products we post about all kinds of things.
00;25;30;08 - 00;25;51;24
Vanessa
And then me personally, my, my personal website is Vanessatpham.com on there. I actually have office hours for like for community folks, entrepreneurs, other founders who are looking for guidance or help and people can sign up there. I do them every two months and usually we have like 6 to 10 people join and I answer any and all questions.
00;25;51;24 - 00;26;00;07
Vanessa
I'm super open book and then on Instagram I'm @VanessaTpham as well and I do post about Omsom and other things there too.
00;26;00;24 - 00;26;05;18
Djenaba
Awesome. Thank you. And wow, thank you for doing office hours. I might join you went one day. We'll see.
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Vanessa
You. My gosh. It's it's really fun. Absolutely.
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Djenaba
Okay.
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Vanessa
So.
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Djenaba
Yeah. Thank you.
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